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Commodity Chat With Trader Jim and Daniels Trading(tm) with Jim Prince from 07/22/2008
Jim Prince Says:
Hello and good evening! Trader Jim here. . . I really appreciate you spending your evening with me tonight. Tonight's chat is a unique in that we have two very special guests joining us from GBE’s featured brokerage, Daniels Trading! Anyway, please help me welcome Ken Packard and Don DeBartolo. Ken Packard is the Chief Sales and Marketing Officer for Daniels Trading. He's been in the commodity business for 13 years and handles all of the daily brokerage operations at Daniels Trading. He's familiar with brokerage operations and trading and is excited to answer your questions tonight. Don DeBartolo is a Senior Broker with Daniels Trading. He specializes in servicing GBE and US Chart Company Course Members and also creates the Daniels Trading Premium Alert email Summary every night. Don also looks forward to participating in tonight’s chat. In addition to our guests this evening, several markets have been on the move since our last chat, so we have a lot to chat about. Remember, that if you've had a successful paper trade or real money trade recently, feel free to share your trade details with fellow Course Members. Discussing your market experiences lets others know they are not alone in this business. So please feel free to share your excitement, enthusiasm, and dedication. It supplies others hope and optimism of what's to come. I'd like send a big "Thank You" to Ken Roberts. Ken started introducing folks to the Greatest Business on Earth™ over 20 years ago. I was fortunate enough to not only be a student of Ken's, but I also had the great pleasure to work for him for 12+ years. I'm happy to be able to share with you what I've learned over the years. As we begin this evening's session, remember the reason these monthly chats are conducted is to provide you the opportunity to ask questions and to pick the brain of a 20+ year student of the markets. It's not the best use of our limited time here together for me to define basic terms and explain introductory principles taught in your Course materials. (That's what our Course Counselors are here for. They can be reached at 541-955-2885) This chat is the time for you to use me to help you apply the basics you're learning and to prepare you for what to expect once you're out in the market itself (either paper trading or with real money). And if we have some fun and laughter along those lines, so much the better. NOTE!!! When commenting on one of the GBE strategies or US Charts, please identify WHICH STRATEGY AND/OR MARKET. Also, when relating trading experiences and/or results, please provide details: Futures contracts, options, option strike prices, options AND futures, real money or paper trading, etc. This helps others follow along and learn from your experience too.
River1 asks (6:01:17 PM):
Its this chat going to be available on demand later???
Jim Prince Says: Howdy River1! Thanks for joining us tonight. Yes, this chat (along with all previous chats) are located in our Chat Archives. You can access the archives by clicking here.
EricGus asks (6:03:39 PM):
When you make a decision on which commodity to trade how much of the decision is based on fundamental and how much on chart positions. Is this decision different for future contracts (front month generally) and options contracts (out three months)EricGus
Jim Prince Says: Welcome EricGus! I base all of my decisions off of what the charts are telling me. I rarely am aware of any fundamental information. Charts and Trend Seeker are the keys for me and it doesn't matter whether I'm considering futures or options. Thanks for the question.
Alabama Kid asks (6:04:52 PM):
TRADER JIM AND BROKERS: The training video on 6 / 6 / 08 subject What to do , sure connected a lots of dots for me . Because of all the reason you gave, five thousand dollars in a trading account (paper or real money ) doesn't give enough room to make smart decisions. What dollar amount , in today's market would you consider as a minimum realistic paper trading account size?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Based on my day to day experience with executing trades I recommend funding with as much risk capital as possible in your trading account. If you are looking for a minimum dollar amount I suggest $5,000.
jon-n-bishop asks (6:05:51 PM):
HI JIM, DON, ET AL - JUST A QUICK COMMENT - GREAT "EARLY ENTRY" DVD JIM - LOOKING FORWARD TO USING THE STRATEGIES - EQUALLY IMPORTANT- IT'S REFRESHING TO FINALLY HAVE A BROKER WHO TALKS
Jim Prince Says:
Hi John! Nice to see you here tonight. Thanks for the kind comments on the new DVD. I really appreciate it. You're right about Daniels Trading. They know the GBE materials and are happy and willing to help.
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eddie asks (6:07:55 PM):
What is the average number of years of experience in the futures market, that your brokers have?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says:
I'd have to check registrations to give an exact number, but I'd say it is somewhere between 8-10 years.
Georgio asks (6:08:37 PM):
When are you planning to hold your next class?
Jim Prince Says: Good evening Georgio! Right now we're considering a possible Trading Camp in September. But this isn't in stone yet. If we are unable to make it in September it will probably be a bit later in the year. Thanks for your interest keep an eye on your email box just in case we make an announcement soon.
STEVE G. FROM WI asks (6:10:47 PM):
Just want to say to course members still looking for a broker,seriously consider Daniels Trading. Don is always available and responds right away to all your questions and concerns whether you talk to him directly or by e-mail or leave him a voice mail. It's hard to say enough good things about Don and Daniels Trading.
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Hi Steve G. Thank you for your kind remarks. I look forward to working with you as your trading colleague for many years to come.
Steve asks (6:13:35 PM):
I would like to know... how do you get your broker to "go the extra mile for you"?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says: Going the extra mile can mean a lot of things. Reply if I don't answer in a way that matches your intent. I'd say start with a full service broker and tell him about your expectations. Brokers want to know what you want/need as a customer, so the best bet is to ask up front. In terms of checking prices to place stops/limits and entries, brokers can set price alerts for that and in the brokerage community that is one way to go the extra mile. Calling about price moves for or against you is another.
MichiganMike asks (6:13:44 PM):
Hi Trader Jim. Thanks to you and every one at US Charts for all you do to educate us on this awesome business. My question is two fold.1)Can I place stops to limit losses on options or do I have to watch the market closely and call the broker when I want to liquidate at my stop loss price? 2)Can I place a stop for an option based on the underlying futures contract so that my broker will liquidate my option when the futures price hits my predetermined price? Thanks
Jim Prince Says:
Hi Mike, Technically you can't place a stop on an option. But a good broker, like the guys at Daniels, can help you in a number of ways. For instance, they can set alerts on their computers to help you exit the trade when the alert goes off so you don't have to watch over the markets all day. There are other things that can be done as well. But to get started I suggest you watch the Training Video I did on 05/11/07. It's titled Stops on Options? Hope this helps.
pammie asks (6:16:58 PM):
Does Daniels Trading offer electronic trading as well as broker services? I like to trade some on my own electronically and I am interested in a new broker as well.
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Pammie, Daniels Trading offers several electronic trading platforms built to meet specific needs of all types of traders. In addition to trading online, you will have a personal Daniels Trading broker to assist with your education of trading online and answering market related questions.
chuck asks (6:17:26 PM):
When a set-up occurs(trendseeker and the close are in alignment), the next day actually begins this evening with the night session. That session is strictly bid and ask with no market orders---so do you recommend a possible early trade in the night session or do you want to see the daytime open?
Jim Prince Says: Hey Chuck, you can do it either way. One thing to keep in mind though is that the volume is a lot less in the evening sessions . That said, you really don't want to place market orders anyway, I advise limit orders, or stop entry orders depending on the setup and market.
big blue asks (6:20:00 PM):
I am a beginner and want to know if I could setup an account. With little money like a savings account and build on that until I had enough money to trade?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Big Blue, I suggest completing the application process and establishing an account so the vast educational resources and services of our firm are available to you. You may fund your trading account when you are ready to do so.
Teresa asks (6:21:24 PM):
I have recently been contacted by a broker from Daniels and while I am new to this program I felt like he was new and I'm wondering if your brokers have experience and what the burn-out factor or turn-over is in the brokerage business?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says: We have Senior Brokers and Account Executives. All customers work directly with a senior broker when trading, but an account executive may contact you to introduce our firm. The brokers don't have the time to make sales calls and service their customers. We have very little turnover...most brokers who come to us stay with us.
JerBear asks (6:23:54 PM):
Good evening Jim, I just wanted to say that I have been paper trading successfully since February and recently familiarizd myself with Daniels Trading at the recommendation of GBE. I am in the early stages of starting an account and both their website and my broker, Nick, has been extremely helpful. You were right on in recommending these guys!
Jim Prince Says: Glad you're paper trading JerBear! I'm always amazed at the number of folks that want to bypass paper trading and just jump right in with real money. The sad thing is most of these folks don't learn enough and generally don't formulate a plan when placing a trade. It's kind of like hunting in the dark -- very difficult to do. Anyway, glad you've found the guys at Daniels helpful.
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Carl T asks (6:24:19 PM):
Hello Jim. I have a question for either of your guests. I've always felt intimidated by most brokers I've dealt with. I think it's because, as an amature one or two contract trader with a small account, I feel that their main concern is for professional traders with large accounts,thus large commissions. How can one overcome this fear of brokers?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says:
We understand your feelings. That's why we have a Friendliness Guarantee. Give us a call...we know all about working with new traders. You might want to check out the interview between Trader Jim and our firm President Andy Daniels. It will tell you a lot about how we work with people. Today's small customer will hopefully be tomorrow's big customer, so all traders receive the same respect and courteous treatment.
golfkatt asks (6:24:52 PM):
Being in Chicago and close to the pits, would fills be made faster than using a broker from somewhere else,say, on the West coast?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Golfkatt, I can tell you that being in Chicago I am in the office ready to start the trading day by 7 AM as opposed to 5 AM on the West Coast. That doesn't mean fills are made faster but it may mean the difference of having an alert broker.
phelps asks (6:28:16 PM):
Question for Ken and Don--thanks for joining us. What's the best or prefered way to submit trades to Daniels Trading, by phone, email or online?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says: Honestly, there's no best way. You can place them in the way you're most comfortable. If you're new, I‘d recommend using a broker like Don. Then, as you progress, you can consider online, but not until you're comfortable with a higher level of self-sufficiency. Email is OK, but remember that sometimes email has problems, so your broker might not get the order and he can't be responsible for technical problems that prevented him from receiving or placing your order.
Edgar asks (6:31:20 PM):
Do you think brokers treat different customers in a different manner? Edgar
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Edgar, Yes and no. Yes because each trader is unique with his/her own trading needs. Some customers require more time to discuss a trade while others I can simply take an order as " Buy 5 Christmas Euros at 96.70 plus" and we are on the same page. No because I do not change my personality and offer the same service to all of my traders.
eddie asks (6:33:20 PM):
What makes Daniels differant than all the other " Order Takers ? ".
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says:
I'd suggest reading our interview between Trader Jim and Andy Daniels. Good brokers are far more than order takers. They'll explain market mechanics, which orders to use and why. They'll watch prices for entries and exits. They'll automatically enter stops and profit targets once you enter a market. They'll cancel one order if the other is filled. They'll watch your back and sometimes save your hide. Most people who have had a good broker know it and they're real advocates for that broker once they have.
STEVE G. FROM WI asks (6:33:50 PM):
WHEN WANTING TO TALK TO YOUR BROKER(BUT NOT MAKING A TRADE AT THE TIME)IS THERE A BEST TIME TO CALL WHEN HE IS NOT AS BUSY WITH CLIENTS WANTING TO PLACE ORDERS?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Steve G, Non-trade related questions are best kept until after the grain (1:15 PM CT) and currency/interest rate (2:00 PM CT) pit closings. Longer conversations can be had without the broker hopping on and off the line to take trade orders.
barrel asks (6:43:39 PM):
What is the biggest obstacle to successful trading that a good broker can help a new trader to overcome?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Barrel, Expereince. Working in the trenches day in and day out I have experienced much in these markets. Not too mention I worked on the trading floor as well. A trader can be come successful with the proper trading plan and patience, two things in which I believe my expereince will come in handy.
caribwealth asks (6:45:03 PM):
How often do your brokers consider it reasonable to move a traders' stop losses? And if a trader wants to trail his stop daily, could he do so from his computer without having to take up your brokers' time?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says:
Caribwealth, In anything but a day trade once a day is enough. Yes, you may use one of our online trading platforms to execute trailing stops.
STEVE G. FROM WI asks (6:45:41 PM):
WHAT TRAINING OR SCHOOLING DO YOU NEED TO BECOME A BROKER?DOES IT PAY WELL? IS IT A HIGH STRESS JOB?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says:
Brokers come from varying backgrounds. Some have financial degrees and others do not. The best don't always have to have a financial background. In order to become a broker, you must pass the Series 3 licensing exam. Then, you are registered by the NFA and CFTC, including a background check. It sounds glamorous, but like lots of industries, it really is just a lot of hard work. Long hours, lots of calls, learning the markets...it can be a grind. It can pay well, but not always. Many customers don't realize that brokers have risk on every order they take. If they buy when they should have sold, but 10 instead of 1, etc...those are all called "errors" and brokers are responsible for them. So, while they work very hard and can make good money, some brokers have lost an entire month's income with one error. I have seen 6-figure errors in my time. So, the risk affects everyone. Given that, yes it can be highly stressful, but helping people can also be very rewarding. The best brokers get in the zone during market hours and take it all in stride. But, remember they have a lot on their back too, so don't judge them too harshly moment by moment. They're always doing the best they can for their clients.
billb123 asks (6:46:34 PM):
Dec bean oil ; you had it in a chanel but it looked a bit wide to me. I thought it should have been a 1-2-3 top which would have put us in the market long before the break out of the chanel. what do you think.
Jim Prince Says: Hi billb123! I don't see a 1-2-3 formation, I only see the channel. That said, even if a 1-2-3 was visible I'd still want trend confirmation from Trend Seeker. It's trend rating didn't turn to a down trend until just 3 days ago. So I wouldn't have traded it. Be sure to check out the Strategies section here at the GBE site and refer to the 1-2-3 strategy to learn the intricacies of how we trade that formation. Hope this helps!
88keys asks (6:47:09 PM):
From 88keys: Do we always get the same broker when we speak with your brokerage? Or a different one each time. How many different ones?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says: You will have one broker and should get him 99% of the time. They do have back up if they're away from the desk. We have teams that help one another, so even the backup should be the same.
Simon asks (6:48:20 PM):
I always feel like I'm bothering the broker when I call him up when I'm only paper trading. Does it "bother" the brokers to talk to traders that are just playing, not actually trading?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Simon, As long as you are respectful of our time as well. Paper trading is best done after the markets close either by phone or by email. I agree 100% with Jim that paper trading is vital to becoming a successful trader. Therefore, I want to be there every step of the way with my customers.
Simon asks (6:49:24 PM):
Gentlemen, In a previous question you said "I recommend funding with as much risk capital as possible in your trading account." Does that mean how much you are willing to lose overall? Per trade? Can you laser in on what you mean by "risk capital"?
Jim Prince Says:
Hi Simon, I can help you with your question. Remember, anytime you fund a trading account it should only be with money you can afford to lose. Don't use the rent money or the food money. If you lose the money you don't want it to affect your lifestyle. You would never want to risk your entire account on one trade. Again any trade is funded by risk capital -- money you can afford to lose.
charter1 asks (6:51:24 PM):
Hi to all! Ken and or Don, In your dealing with real money traders what are some costly mistakes that we can learn from?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Charter1, Costly mistakes occur when traders do not use stop losses or having a trading plan coming in before entering a market. If you are not sure of the risk/reward of a trade you may not want to be in it in the first place.
Steve asks (6:52:57 PM):
Are all commodity futures brokers paid by commission (per trade transaction) or are some paid by salary?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says: Steve - Most are paid by commission. Some firms offer salaries to their brokers, but in my experience they are typically specialized and may only have targeted expereince.
smokey joe asks (6:54:00 PM):
To all concerned - I can not give enough praise to Don ( Double D ) Bartolo of Daniels Trading. He is very up to date with GBE members needs, patient, Informative, and last but not least - a pleasure to talk and deal with - no pressure just patience. It is very comforting to finally find a broker who will listen and is fun to work with. Kudo's To D.D. as well as Trader Jim and all of his fine work.
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Smokey Joe, always a pleasure to chat with you. I hope your vacation was pleasant and restful - now let's get back to these exciting markets we have on our hands.
Neel R asks (6:54:08 PM):
Hi Jim! I really like those "It's About to Happen" and did well on the most recent Bean Oil. I'd like to see more of those!
Jim Prince Says: Hey Neel R! Thanks for the kind words. I'll try to do more when I can. Be sure you check out my blog because I do make a lot of similar posts there.
greyfox asks (6:57:24 PM):
In the trend seeker area, why are some of the words underlined ?
Jim Prince Says: Hey greyfox! Those areas that are underlined allow you to see the previous ranking. Meaning that the ranking just changed and is in the first day of the new ranking but if you hold your mouse over the underlined word you'll see the prior ranking.
Edgar asks (6:58:08 PM):
Suppose you have 3 tiers of traders first under 5000, second under 10 000 and third 15 000 and more for capital, can you give a breakdown in percentages for each category? Edgar
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says:
Hi Edgar - not sure how to answer this. Do you mean what % of our customers have 5/10/15+K? As a firm, most fall into the latter category (15K+), but we have MANY customers who start with 5-10K and we're very accustomed to working with them. When I was a broker, some of my best clients started there. Remember too, as I said earlier, today's small trader will hopefully be tomorrow's big trader. We all want that, right ;-)
Heidi asks (7:00:07 PM):
If I have a plan to enter an option trade and want it to be entered close to the breakout of a pattern, how do you handle this? Also do you set targets and stops? One of your broker's told me that you do not set a stop alert on options.
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says:
Heidi, Simply call your Daniels Trading broker when a market is trading at your breakout price or have him/her set an alert at that price to contact you. At that time we are able to provide vital information such as bids/offers, theoretcal value, delta, etc. Stops and targets may be setup in the same manner as price alerts on a breakout. Use the underlying futures contract to deteremine if a position should be liquidated.
eaglebob asks (7:01:18 PM):
To All, Being that this is an investment program, with all of the experience here tonight, I would like to know where to put my profits that I am not using? In a money market account? Is there something Daniels Trading offers?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says: This could probably be best answered over the phone to determine your exact needs, but traders are able to buy T-Bills in 90 and 180 day increments in their trading accounts with us. Minimum increment is 10K.
Amelia asks (7:02:12 PM):
Hello Jim, I have a quick question..I was paper trading during 7 months, and I'm interested in learn more about options. I did good trading with contracts, but is not the same with options...I feel like I don't know almost anything about options. Do you have some kind of videos, course or books to offer? Appreciate your response. You're doing a very nice and professional work. Congratulations!!
Jim Prince Says: Hi Amelia! Well our GBE Course Manual covers a lot about options. We also have our strategies on the site as well. Be sure you download and/read the manual though. That should give you a real good foundation about option basics. I also chat about options on the Paper Trading DVD and provide some sample trades. Also be sure to scroll through the Training Videos. There's a lot of info. there about options too!
Jack_M asks (7:04:02 PM):
Good evening all. Some markets begin trading at the end of a day for the next day, take a break the next morning and then resume for part of the day. Based on your experience, is it generally safer to not enter trades going into the evening and holding overnight? Thanks for your help.
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Jack M, if a new trade entry presents itself based on the closing price I suggest placing the order before the overnight session begins. I have seen enough a market make a move overnight only to have missed the entry because an order wasn't working at that time.
Steve asks (7:09:50 PM):
If a trader has a large winning trade, is it customary to "tip" your broker with a share of your winnings?
Jim Prince Says: Not that I'm aware of. . . but I'm sure a note on a nice card would be a good friendly thing to do! 
chrys asks (7:13:33 PM):
I too have always felt intimidated by brokers. That's why I'm not trading. They didnt seem to have the capability to understand that I am still learning. Other broker groups have been recomemended by wgb... Is Daniels here to stay? Or in a few months is there going to be someone new and improved in the game??
Jim Prince Says:
Chrys, You should never let a broker intimidate you. They put their pants on just like you and I. Remember, they work for you and if they are not doing the job then you need to find another broker! Simple as that. Daniels Trading is a firm that has been around for a long time and Andy Daniels is also a trader. Daniels has spent a lot of time and effort to make sure that they fully understand our courses and how we want our Course Members treated. I'm sure that they'll agree when I say they are in it for the long haul!
T from Atlanta asks (7:14:47 PM):
Welcome Daniels Trading, I really feel very comfortable with you guys. I'm in the process of building up more confidence in options. I paper traded Aug. Feeder Cattle and the market hit my strike price, but it did not develop much value at all, any insight on this? Also, I see that the margin/main. change often do you see any let up?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: T, Not knowing more about your paper trade in the Aug Feeders one guess may be the time value that was left on the option. Pay closer attention to a "decaying asset" within 30 days of expiration. The time remaining on an option will dramatically affect the premium price. I suggest even liquidating the option before 14 days to expiration. However, there are certain strategies that will not follow that answer. One example is Jim's Low Ball Strategy.
Limit Up In Texas asks (7:15:22 PM):
Will your brokers perform soft stops for options trades if you make it known your exit or entry strategy ?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says: Most of our brokers will set price alerts on the underlying futures contracts for the purposes of entering or exiting an option trade for you. However, this is done solely as a customer service feature and the broker can't be "held" on the order. Brokers can only be bound by actual orders that can be placed on the exchange. That being said, we'll gladly set price alerts and many customers enjoy this level of service.
ihopkins asks (7:16:04 PM):
Jim. I have been with the Ken Roberts Company for many years. I have a feeling that many things have changed. My question is with the involvement of institutional investors do the old 123 tops and bottoms still apply to the same extent as of yesteryear.
Jim Prince Says: Howdy ihopkins! Institutions have been around for a long time. But the way we approach 1-2-3 tops and bottoms has changed. Be sure to review the 1-2-3 strategy located under the Strategy section at the GBE Members web site. You may also want to take a peak at my 1-2-3 Top formation video CD.
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carol asks (7:17:53 PM):
I already have an account established with Daniel's Trading and am trading with real money. I would still like to paper trade and wondered what is the best way to use my broker.
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Carol, Contact your broker with your paper trades as you would a real trade. Just make he/she knows it's a paper trade! You might even consider a simple email in which your broker can reply back after the markets close with a "fill price".
Denny2 asks (7:20:06 PM):
Good Evening Jim,First of all, thank you for providing all those VERY awesome tools - in every aspect of the mechanichs of getting started with this fantastic business. Very down-to-earth English and very easy to follow. Great job, Jim!! Question for Don B. and Ken P.: First of all - I have a genuine impression (after talking to a representative from Daniels - S. Hoffman, you really seem to care for the (new) trader's success). When I make a (profitable) trade; say, for instance $ 3,000 - and every time, take ONE THIRD of the profits to build (add on) to the margin account. My intend is to - gradually let it grow in time and still enjoy some of the profits as well. Does this sounds like a good question - since I am relatively new at this and first time on chat line. Thank you for an always very interesting chat line achive (Jim)!!Denny2, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says:
Hi Denny2 and thanks for your complimentary comments. Your strategy sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Scott has been around 20+ years, so I'd run it by him too. We love sending checks home to you! In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with paying yourself and taking some money off the table. Just make sure to trade within your margin.
ready2win asks (7:20:52 PM):
Would you recommend opening an account if a person is just beginning to paper trade, or should there be some paper trading experience before attempting to open an account. Thanks again
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Ready2win, might as well paper trade (and therefore open the account) with your broker that you will one day be placing live orders. That way both the trader and broker can become familiar with each other and that could increase your confidence in the very first trades.
Larry From Long Isla asks (7:21:00 PM):
Jim, December Cotton seems to have formed a minor pennant(during the consolidation of the last 2 weeks) after it's initial break from the bigger pennant that you have documented in you excellent premium alerts. It actually initially looks like a channel but if you draw the lines, I noticed they are downsloping and upsloping. Would you consider the down action of todays break from that minor pennant another opportunity to enter this market? Thanks for all you hard work and the Early entry video was very well done and helpful. Larry from Long Island, NY
Jim Prince Says:
Hi Larry From Long Isla! I see what you're saying. Yep, I would think that today's price action could be considered a breakout of the small pennant you described. Thanks for the kind words about the Premium Alert Videos and the new How to Trade Chart Patterns with Early Entry Techniques.
Marsha asks (7:22:16 PM):
Do brokers ever look at the Commitment of Traders report and if so what information are you looking for ?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says:
Hi Marsha - yes, we look at them. there's lots to look for and many ways to interpret, but here's one place to begin: http://www.danielstrading.com/resources/commitment-of-traders.php
JerBear asks (7:25:59 PM):
Jim, even though I have been paper trading successfully since February, I am on my "come-back" from losing nearly $13,000 in trading futures a couple years back. The keys for me seem to be...I have focused on the emotional aspect of trading commodities, stayed with GBE's proven success using charts, am only trading options to start, and am treating it like a business!
Jim Prince Says: AWESOME, JerBear! That is exactly what I'm talking about! You're "new found" appraoch could make all the difference in the world. Trading is so much a mental thing. Most folks think that they can simply copy what someone else does and all should be good. That's not the case. We are each individuals with a different risk tolerance and pocket book. Plus we'll see things slightly different. It's what makes the world go round! Keep up the good work. You're on the right track!
Annie asks (7:26:08 PM):
My present Broker, will not send or call with any alerts, ie sudden price moves, unless you subscibe to the "Gold Membership" does Daniels Trading have any hidden costs?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says: Hi Annie....hhhhmm. Trying to be objective here...sorry to hear about that policy. We have no membership levels or hidden fees. If you're a client and are working with a broker and are paying for full service, all of those services should be included. As always, a conversation goes a long way. Call us any time and we'll help to get things sorted out for you. All the best.
Marsha asks (7:26:11 PM):
Are brokers privy to any information that we as traders are not?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Marsha, I wouldn't say that I have information you are not privy to but have access to more of it. Be careful of paraylsis by analysis though - there will be two sides to every story. But without that point there would be no free markets. The good news is as US Charts teaches us we need mainly to only read our charts.
Heidi asks (7:30:02 PM):
Your premium alert summaries are very helpful. Is it possible to receive these alerts without having an account with your firm?
Jim Prince Says:
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Tigger_T_Bounce asks (7:31:27 PM):
Do any of the Daniel Trading brokers trade their own accounts
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says:
Hi Tigger - No Daniels Trading brokers working with GBE and US Chart customers are allowed to trade their own accounts. We view it as a conflict of interest. You're paying your broker to work for you, not to be potentially distracted by his own trades in the market. That's our perspective at least.
smokey joe asks (7:33:14 PM):
Double D. - Is it better/easier for you to track entry/exit point on options based on futures prices or a % of profit/loss on the option price/premium.? I base my plan on a % of profit/loss on the option premium price ( 50% profit - 25% loss ). Can you set an alert for this or only for futures price movement?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says:
Smokey Joe, The issue with tracking an exit point on an option by percentage is that it could only be done at the end of day. However, as your broker I can place a price alert at your "stop loss" and "target" on the underlying futures contract and contact intra-day. As you know time is a factor in these markets. While you cannot watch the markets all day remember that I am.
John from Mich. asks (7:35:46 PM):
Hello! My question is , can your brokerage place stops on an option? Like a futures contract? Say at a certain price? Thanks
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: John, Stop loss orders are not accepted by exchanges. To combat that issue I will place a price alert on the underlying futures contract at the stop loss price. At that point we can use the bids/offers to decide where to liquidate the position.
alico asks (7:36:55 PM):
JIM, DID YOU SEE A FLAT BOTTOM TRIAGLE IN THE BEAN OIL MARKET?
Jim Prince Says: Be sure to refer to the It's About to Happen email I sent out on Sunday. If you haven't see it yet, be sure to check the newsletter mailbox right here on the GBE site. I outline a complete paper trading approach to this market and it's sideways channel. Thanks for joing us tonight!
pammie asks (7:38:26 PM):
This might be a silly question but, obviously some people do very well trading and make their living at it. How do they get their money monthly? Do they get a check issued to them from the brokerage? I don't get that.
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says:
Hi Pammie - not a silly question at all. We send checks and wires to our customers all the time. Just give your broker a call or shoot him an email and tell him what you want. Some do it monthly, others quarterly and still others whenever the need arises. All you have to do is place the request. Hope this helps.
Brown Eyes asks (7:38:54 PM):
Thank you Jim for last weeks training video, it reviewed the different area of the GBE, graph and charts plus you reviewed the different areas of your web site. Thanks again!
Jim Prince Says: You got it Brown Eyes! Glad to help and glad you enjoyed the video.
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BBQMAN asks (7:40:09 PM):
BBQMAN from TEXASHey Jim - Thanks for the Low Ball Stratagy...I used it on 6/27 with July Hogs 72 put @ 320 as I saw a very large pennet formation
Jim Prince Says: That's great, BBQMAN! Glad you like it and are using it. Be sure to follow up at next month's chat and let us know how it works out for you. Good job!
Chris asks (7:42:42 PM):
When buying call or put options, how much time before expiration do you look for? Also, if the market hasn't really made or lost you money, when do you get out?
Jim Prince Says:
Hey Chris, Typically, when buying puts or calls we look for options that have about 90 days remaining prior to expiration. That said, be sure to check out the Low Ball Strategy because it's approach is completely different. As far as when you should get out. That is really up to you and your trading plan. Generally speaking we will exit option trades when either a predetermined mental stop is hit or the option loses a percentage of the premium. Hope this helps!
carol asks (7:43:46 PM):
What is the proper way to place an order to get the best fills?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Carol, If by best fills you mean at your price or better than use a limit order only. If you are trading options just ask your broker for the bid/offer. The bid/offer is actually the marketplace in which a commodity is trading, not the last price as many think. Having that information on hand you may place your order with a better chance of a fill than just going off of the last price (or settlement price).
theodora asks (7:47:09 PM):
How do I paper trade an option and what market do I choose?
Jim Prince Says:
Thank you for joining us this eveing, theodora! I'll first point you to the Training Videos. Search through them and you'll find some sample paper trades. You might also want to refer to the Paper Trading: How to Develop an Unfair Advantage DVD. It's a two disc set all about Paper Trading. Next refer to my blog and the It's About to Happen emails I send out. That should more than cover it for you. Lastly, please call a Course Counselor Monday through Friday from 8:30am to 5:00pm PT at 541-955-2885 if you need assistance.
greg in arizona asks (7:48:46 PM):
Hi Jim and crew, I’ve been confused about night sessions. Could I purchase an option during the day session, and liquidate it during a night session? Or do we have to trade only one or the other trading sessions? Thanks!
Jim Prince Says: Hi Greg in Arizona! The various markets are all fungible. Meaning whatever you purchase in one session can be sold in another (and vice-a-versa). Thanks for stopping by tonight.
Jim from Kalamazoo, asks (7:49:27 PM):
What is all involved with a spread? For example, buying a call and selling a call at a slightly higher strike price?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Jim, The spread you are referring to is know as a bull call spread. This is used when you have a bullish stance in a market and do not want to pay a high premium for an option. Basically you purchase a close to the money (or in the money strike) and finance it by selling a higher strike. The debit will be the difference of the purchased call minus the credit of selling the call. The maximum risk is the price paid for the spread (not including fees) and the maximum reward is the difference of the two strike prices minus what was paid for the spread and fees.
eddie asks (7:51:42 PM):
Trader Jim; Do you ever do a seminar on the east coast?
Jim Prince Says: Hey eddie! All of the Trading Camps we've held the last couple of years have been right here in Grants Pass, OR. We've chatted about going on the road but that's about as far as it's gotten. I'll tell you though, I wouldn't mind doing one in Orlando in the winter time. 
Jim from Kalamazoo, asks (7:52:34 PM):
How do you ask to get a volume discount if getting multiple options/ futures contracts?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says:
Hi Jim - We'll generally work with whatever our clients have in mind, but volume discounts are the exception and not the rule. Remember that your broker has risk on every trade he places, so larger lots mean bigger risk (for both of you). Buy/sell errors cut twice because not only is the customer owed the winner, but the broker has to eat the loser too. Lastly, the service he provides in managing that trade with you isn't discounted in any way either...he'll still call you, place contingency orders, price alerts, etc., if that's what you require and all of those services warrant a traditional rate. Once again, just talk to your broker while keeping these points in mind and I'm sure you'll both work it out. Hope this helps.
milty asks (7:52:51 PM):
Can options be traded during overnight E markets either electronic or thru a broker?
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Mitty, Certain markets offer overnight electronic options trading. It seems for the time being most of the trading volume occurs during the day session however. You may place trades in the overnight markets using one of our online trading platforms or calling your broker to place the trade on your behalf.
BBQMAN asks (7:53:40 PM):
Jim...lost the last part of my text about July Hogs. My plan was to get out if my option doubled.. It did in 2-days
Jim Prince Says: Thanks for the follow up, BBQMAN! Good for you! That's exactly how the Low Ball Technique is supposed to work! Awesome job my friend!
BC trader asks (7:56:16 PM):
Hi guys! When trading a strangle using the Neutral Market Strategy selling a put and a call for a total point value, how do you track the trade when the total point value is divided equally between the two options?
Jim Prince Says:
I'm not sure I understand your question, BC Trader. When you initiate the Neutral Market Strategy you're taking in premium from the sale of both the put and the call. If you take in say $500 from the call and $500 from the put, you've taken in a total of $1,000. Hope this helps, if not be sure to try asking me again or call a Course Counselor in the morning.
eschut asks (7:57:51 PM):
I have traded before; lost everthing plus more. At this time i have an acct. with Daniels trading. My Question is when I should feel comfortable to trade with real money. Ihave been trading on my own charts for 7months with 56% winners but not anything to brag about
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Eschut, Only you can answer when you are ready to trade. But my question to is if you have an account opened and funded and have been a successful paper trader for an extended amount of time what are you waiting for? If you are using risk capital to trade then have a go. A perfect setup never jumps off the chart. As Jim says, "plan your trade, trade your plan".
dormansandor asks (7:58:35 PM):
Thanks Jim for your good work. If i had an account with Daniels Trading-How is it insured?
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says:
Hi dormansandor -Brokerage accounts don't have insurance like FDIC. What they do have is security through Customer Segregated funds, as mandated by the NFA and CFTC. I can send more data on this privately, but essentially Customer Segregated funds mandate that your funds are kept in a separate account in your name. They are never co-mingled with your clearing firm's funds and your funds will never be dragged into the mess if your firm has insolvency issues. As always, you can have your money at any time.
STEVE G. FROM WI asks (8:02:40 PM):
TO CHARTER 1 (FROM EXPERIENCE)AS DON SAID ONE VERY COSTLY MISTAKE IS NO STOP.IF YOU CAN'T RENEW YOUR STOP EVERYDAY IN AN ICE ORDER,THEN A GOOD BROKER LIKE DON TO DO IT EVERYDAY FOR YOU MAKES HIM WORTH HIS WEIGHT IN GOLD(EVEN AT TODAYS PRICES)
Don DeBartolo (Daniels Trading) Says: Steve, You are $958 an ounce right. Place and maintain your stops.
Ken Packard (Daniels Trading) Says:
Hi Folks - thanks for coming tonight. If you found it helpful, Don and I will gladly do it again. We're here to help. Please check out the tools and offers we have on the GBE and US Charts sites and remember our Friendliness Guarantee. We're here for you, so let us help. Oh, one other thing. I wasn't able to get to the commission questions. If you'd like a quote, give us a call at 800-800-3840 and we'll be happy to provide you with one. Thanks! Good Trading!
Jim Prince Says:
Well that's it for this month. I'd like to thank our guests, Ken Packard and Don DeBartolo for joining me on this special evening. I also want to thank each of you for investing your time with us tonight. As usual you had a ton of good solid questions and I'm very happy that you took this time to "Ask a Broker." Keep in mind, that you're not alone in your trading journey. US Charts Online, myself, and our wonderful Course Counselors (541-955-2885) are here to help you become the best you can be. On that note, be sure to check out our weekly video training lessons at: US Charts Online. This is a fantastic teaching tool and free to all GBE Members and US Chart Online subscribers! Finally, make sure you have a plan prior to entering any trade and use stops to protect your trading capital. As a trader your capital is THE most valuable asset you have! Plan your trade and trade your plan! My next chat will be on Tuesday, August 16, 2008. God Bless and I look forward to seeing you then!
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