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Commodity Chat With Trader Jim! (tm) with Jim Prince with Jim Prince
from 05/12/2009



Jim Prince Says:

Hello and good evening! Trader Jim here. . .

Thanks for investing your evening with me and your fellow GBE Course Members tonight! We have a lot to chat about this evening as several markets have been on the move.

July Soybeans; June US Dollar Index; June British Pound; June Australian Dollar; July Coffee; July OJ; and June T-Bonds have all moved nicely of late. And there are several other markets that are in the midst of formations.

So we have a lot to watch and, as always, patience is the key!

By the way, most all of these markets mentioned above are currently featured in our nightly Premium Alert Service™ (PAS) videos.

I encourage yuou to freely share any of your recent paper trading or real money market endeavors. Discussing your trading experiences lets others know they are not alone in this business, and it's a great way for everyone to learn from one another.

Discussing your market experiences lets others know they are not alone in this business. So please feel free to share your excitement, enthusiasm, and dedication. It provides others hope and optimism of what's to come.

I'd like send a big "Thank You" to Ken Roberts. Ken started introducing folks to the Greatest Business on Earth™ over 20 years ago. I was fortunate enough to not only be a student of Ken's, but I also had the great pleasure to work for him for 12+ years. I'm happy to be able to share with you what I've learned over the years.

As we begin this evening's session, remember the reason these monthly chats are conducted is to provide you the opportunity to ask questions and to pick the brain of a 20+ year student of the markets.

It's not the best use of our limited time here together for me to define basic terms and explain introductory principles taught in your Course materials. Please contact one of our Course Counselors if you need assistance with any of the introductory principles. They can be reached at 541-955-2885. This chat is the time for you to use me to help you apply the basics you're learning and to prepare you for what to expect once you're out in the market itself (either paper trading or with real money). And if we have some fun and laughter along those lines, so much the better.

NOTE!!! When commenting on one of the GBE strategies or US Charts, please identify WHICH STRATEGY AND/OR MARKET you used. Also, when relating trading experiences and/or results, please provide details: Futures contracts, options, option strike prices, options AND futures, real money or paper trading, and contract month etc. This really helps your fellow Course Members follow along and learn from your experiences.

From time-to-time you may notice that I'll use a bit of "chat short-hand." If you see LOL for example, it means Laughing Out Loud. Or TS which means Trend Seeker. These are the two most prominient bits of short hand you'll see me use.





theWarriorJ asks (6:05:20 PM):

Hey Jim, I was going through my daily chart analysis and I noticed that July Sugar (SBN9) Has made a new 12 month high of 16.03, it's old 12 month high was 15.99. Would you agree that a close above the 15.99 Mark warrants a "paper trade" to the upside using the Hi-Low Technique especially since the next level of resistance isn't until around the 17.3 mark on both the Weekly and Monthly Sugar charts? A profit of well over $1k/futures contract. Thanks in advance, I'm just wanting to make sure I'm actually SEEING this and not THINKING it.

Jim Prince Says:
That is indeed the case my friend! The best entry will come if you can get in with futures at or below today's close. The October contract also triggered a Hi Lo setup. Nice job, theWarriorJ!



timmy asks (6:06:23 PM):

Hello Trader Jim, this is my first chat, is there audio?

Jim Prince Says:
No audio my friend. Our chats are strictly text based. Thanks for joining us tonight!



Bob in AZ asks (6:09:37 PM):

For July Cotton....has a small flat top triangle formed starting 5/4?Also July Sugar...do we need a pullback to get in?

Jim Prince Says:

Hey Bob in AZ, I don't see any sort of triangle my friend. We need to be able to draw a horizontal line across the top of the prices bars for a flat top triangle. In my view, prices have been on a steady incline. This market has rallied nicely out of the channel, and basically at this point the train has left the station.

I'm watching for a visable chart pattern to form before doing anything at this time.





Adam Wolff asks (6:10:41 PM):

I don't really have a question. I originally took the Ken Robert's course when I was 19 when it was called the TWMPMM course. I never actively traded. I'm looking forward to doing it right this time around.

Jim Prince Says:
Welcome back, Adam Wolff! Glad you're with us. Be sure to ask a question if you've got one. I'm happy to help.



app09 asks (6:12:22 PM):

Hi Jim. Paper trading since mid-April and already up over $3000, mostly on channel break-outs in US $, Swiss Franc and Soybeans. Thanks for the great course

Jim Prince Says:
Awesome, app09! The one point I'll make is to be sure you treat your paper trading EXACTLY like it's real money. Build good habits while paper trading and they'll carry over to real money trading.



peter asks (6:16:43 PM):

Hi Jim,I went with the July Soybean Oil trade and got out after a couple of days making $500. If everything shows that it looks like it will continue to go up, do you get back in? I always feel if I do that, it will move against me and I will lose what I made so it is hard to pull the trigger

Jim Prince Says:

Nice trade, peter! I only reenter markets if a chart pattern has developed. So at this point I'd consider waiting to see if a channel, triangle or pennant develops to offer another opportunity.

Pulling the trigger is often very difficult for traders. But if you have a sound plan you must have faith in the techniques. Then it's up to you to pull the trigger. But again, don't blindly jump in. Have solid plan and trade off of one of the chart patterns located in your GBE manual. 





Jess of the Future! asks (6:19:06 PM):

Hi Jim, when I was still paper trading a few months ago I watched the Trading Psychology DVD and thought, "Hah! I won't make all those mistakes they're talking about! So I rewatched it last weekend now that I'm trading with real money. I learned much more on the 2nd viewing because I recognized a LOT of mistakes that I made that I THOUGHT I wouldn't make! While I have been making profits with the GBE methodology I would have made more if I had stuck to my plans and not changed the plan mid-trade. It's tough sometimes but once you get in the habit of sticking to the plan it does get easier. At this moment I'm up $1700 on a Spring Wheat trade. The plan is to exit when it makes $1950. It's tough but I'm not going to exit early!

Jim Prince Says:

Hey Jess of the Future! Thanks for sharing what you've learned tonight. Hopefully other Course Members can learn from your thoughts.

Nice job with your trading too. Sounds like you've moved to the next level since you were at our February Trading Camp. Good for you!





peter asks (6:24:10 PM):

Doesn't corn trade at night? If so, what info do you input to make the trade? ie: what are the trading symbols for it?

Jim Prince Says:

Hey peter, yes corn does trade "at night." It trades on the ecbot exchange. The ticker symbols might be what you need and you can find those in the chart legend (upper right corner) on any chart at US Charts Online.





greg in arizona asks (6:26:24 PM):

Hi Jim, When a market turns around and moves quickly against you, and hits your stop, do you use a limit order to liquidate an option(s)? Would a market order be a better choice to get out of the market quickly? I have had trouble getting out of a fast moving market, but have always used limit orders. Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Jim Prince Says:

Hi greg in arizona! I prefer limit orders. If you use market orders you're going to get your hat handed to you. The best thing with limit orders is to be willing to give up a little more than you had planned to. In other words, if you wanted to exit an option at 20 points but the market is trading at 17. Consider putting your order at 15 or better.

Hope this helps.





walter asks (6:29:37 PM):

Hi Jim.... Walter here.... my question is: a couple of weeks ago, you gave a talk about making money in sideways channels that had a trend seeker rating of Neutral by "writing" options..... It caught my eye and when I went back to study what you wrote... I couldnt find it... can you help.... Thank you for all your time, help and support... you are one in a billion....

Jim Prince Says:
Hi walter! Yes, that strategy is located in our strategies section on this web site. Just be sure to look under our Advanced Trading Strategies or click here to go directly to that area of the site.



belosic asks (6:33:31 PM):

what does entry price and number of days signify on the bottom of a chart.robert in texas

Jim Prince Says:
Hi robert in texas! It is the price the current Trend Seeker trend rating began and the number of days the trend has been in place. Be sure you watch the Trend Seeker help video for more information about this amazing tool. Click here and then scroll down the page and click the video link. Enjoy!



Cotton Top asks (6:36:43 PM):

Jim, im up $26,000 in 3 months on various trades. Unfortunaley only on paper. I took some big hits a few years back and am gun shy with real money. any word of encouragement would be appreciated.

Jim Prince Says:

Keep paper trading Cotton Top until you are tired of making money on paper. The biggest propblem folks have is they don't have a plan in place. A plan to take profits and take losses. Have a plan mapped out ahead of time for all trades -- paper or real money. This will help you a lot. In fact, right out a well thought out plan that contains the worse case scenario topics. That way when things fall apart you won't have to be thinking emotionally about what to do. Just refer to your plan.

Hope this helps.





DHW18 asks (6:39:35 PM):

Hi Jim seems a lot of triggers and target are while I'm sleeping, or on the way home from work. The grains re_open at 7:00pm eastern, you really need your plan for the following day set up and called in.

Jim Prince Says:
That is becoming more and more the case DHW18. Sometimes you may want to place orders in the evening sessions. It really goes back to establishing a plan and what YOU want to do. Plus, with this type of scenario it's great to have a broker that will work with you too.



larry asks (6:42:32 PM):

Hi Jim,my 1st chat! I just today got funds wired to my account to begin trading... very excited. Did well on paper. Do you have a favorite pattern that you like to trade? I've kinda developed an affection for flat bottem/flat top triangles...

Jim Prince Says:
Congrats larry! My favorite chart pattern is the pennant. Love 'em! Be sure you take it slow and easy. Protect your capital at all costs. Remember, if you don't want to protect your capital there's somebody else out there that will want it. One of the best pieces of advice I can give you is to use good 'ole common horse sense. It will go a long way toward helping you!





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gotrader asks (6:46:48 PM):

Hi Jim, No question, just a comment.. When I am getting near my target price I have really been focusing on my risk to reward ratio. It's hard sometimes to keep it at 2:1 but I never risk more than I stand to gain. About half the time I get stopped out but its never a big setback on the trade. ( Go Bean Oil !! )

Jim Prince Says:

Right on gotrader! I love it! I can tell you have a plan as to what you want to do and that's 90% of the battle! Nice job!

Looks like July Bean Oil is +0.18 here in the after hours session.





Yankeefan asks (6:50:39 PM):

A few weeks ago I watched your training video on the use of the weekly and monthly 50% levels and their usefulness. I got into a trade the next day that was profitable because of that video. Thanks. Recently I was looking to get into the Swiss Franc and noticed that the weekly and monthly 50% levels were below the daily 50% level...which is where the price action is now. If the action goes sideways and TS goes neutral and bearish would you consider an early entry into the market BEFORE it flipps to down?

Jim Prince Says:

Hey Yankeefan! Nice job on the 50% levels and using them to your advantage. The thing about 50% levels is so many traders are aware of them and because of that they work or become a self fulfilling prophecy. It's human psychology at its finest!

I only consider early entries based on the info. I teach in the Early Entry Technique DVDs. Nothing more, nothing less. Every thing has got to line up as stated on that DVD.







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John M asks (6:54:45 PM):

Hi Jim. I'm a raw newbie. Simple question: Since there are day and night sessions, the open, high, low and close for which sesion are used for the charts?

Jim Prince Says:

Welcome aboard John M! Thanks for stopping by tonight. Good question too. . . the open, high, low and close for both sessions are used for each daily price bar. So the data for the sessions that started tonight is included within the price bars currently on the charts. And will be there during the day session as well.

Bottom line, both sessions are combined on one price bar.





Florida Boy asks (6:58:30 PM):

Hello Jim, Do both criteria have to met in order to have an inside day? I.E. The next dayes high has to be lower than the previous day.. and the low higher than the previous day etc..

Jim Prince Says:

Howdy Florida Boy! An inside day (a.k.a. inside price bar) takes shape when the high is lower than the prior days high, and the low is higher than the prior days low. In other words, all of the data for the "inside day" fits inside the prior price bar. The day after this price action has no bearing on whether an inside day has formed. The inside day is based totally on the prior days activity.

An inside day price bar is known as a day of indecision. Meaning neither the bulls nor the bears had control that day.

Hope this helps.





newbie asks (7:01:46 PM):

Hi Jim...Like Adam, I originally took the Ken Robert's course back in 2000 or so when it was called the TWMPMM course. I traded some real money in Crude Oil and made around $8000 in 10 days. Being young and undisciplined, I thought I could turn that into $16000 then $32000 and so on. Ended up losing all my capital and giving up. I just got reacquainted with GBE and am absolutely loving it. Anyway, my question is about July Corn: I can't see a 2:1 risk/reward using the first level of resistance. Entry 422. Stop 400. Target 450. I have to use Target 472. Your thoughts?

Jim Prince Says:

Welcome aboard newbie! If you can't get the risk/reward you desire then something has to give. Either pass on the setup or adjust your stop/targets. The way you have it now you have a 1.27 to 1 risk/reward. In my mind it's not worth of trading.

Perhaps you need to wait to see if the market pulls back and offers you a better opportunity. Or like I mentioned above, consider passing on it all together. Remember, there will always be other opportunities.





DIMITRIS asks (7:05:51 PM):

Hello Jim, Are you still using "the options insurance plan?" I heard about it from Ken Roberts in a Video Tape. He used Eurodollar Market like an example. I think that actually Eurodollar shows the same oportunity. Thanks for your time, and God bless you!!!

Jim Prince Says:

I don't DIMITRIS. I prefer options that act more like the underlying futures contract and are thus closer to the money.

Roughly 80% of options expire wortheless because people choose to use them incorrectly. This includes the far out-of-the-money options. I've seen it first hand for many years and therefore choose to pass on this style of trading.

Good question though and please keep in mind that this is just my opinion. There are as many different trading strategies as there are traders.





larry asks (7:08:26 PM):

if a resistance line is too near a chart pattern breakout to have an acceptable risk/gain ratio,is it wise to enter the trade once it does break that resistance even if it does not consolidate into a channel or retract and then break through, as long as ts is right?

Jim Prince Says:
You can do that larry, but I choose to trade from chart patterns. I'm a HUGE believer in them because they are so powerful. Remember that chart patterns are based off of, and form, because of human interaction in the markets -- i.e. human psychology. Understanding this, knowing this, can go a long way towards your ultimate success.





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CapnWayne asks (7:19:26 PM):

Hi Jim;Regarding sugar; As mentioned before, today the July contract passed the previous high on 7/3 of 15.99, but closed below it at 15.72. Is this a high/low breakout indicating a position could be entered? I thought we needed to wait for the closing price to be above 15.99 to indicate an entry.That being said, since the Oct contract did close above it's previous 12 month high of 16.73, but Oct is not the front month, does it matter that it is not the front month, or does this signal an entry with the high/low breakout strategy for an Oct contract now?

Jim Prince Says:

My bad, CapnWayne! I misread your message. Thanks for the correction. The July contract did not close above the prior high. So it did not trigger a paper trade.

The October contract, however, did close above the prior high and therefore did trigger a paper trade.

Hi Lo Breakout setups take place within any contract. It doesn't have to be just the front month.

Thanks again.





Bob in AZ asks (7:20:15 PM):

Hey Jim,I have to leave the chat now but I learned some good things. Thanks for doing it.

Jim Prince Says:
You got it Bob in AZ! Thank for joining us tonight! I appreciate you and all your fellow Course Members interest.





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Bonita Joe asks (7:24:01 PM):

Hi Jim! Have you noticed the length of most of the "Neutral" channels started near the election last Nov? There is a lot of questions as to the diluting of our dollar (Possibly a good Short move IF the charts are right)against other currencies and inflation in 99% of the commodities. Esp. as other countries build their infrastructure.....China, India, etc. Don't worry...I take all my moves off the charts (July corn and July coffee LONG futures).

Jim Prince Says:

Yes sirre Bonita Joe! Just a couple weeks ago I posted in my blog that there were 15 different markets rated Neutral by Trend Seeker. Today there are two!

Anyway, glad your'e relying on your charts. They tell it like it is!





Marsha asks (7:27:22 PM):

I have a funny story to share. I bought a July Bean Meal call option in late April. It climbed nicely and I had a profit - tried to liquidate it (but low vol, low OI and broker errors gave me fits). Finally liquidated for a nice cash profit of $1720.00 - and I actually had help from a broker at Daniels Trading and they are not even my active broker. They are so helpful and courteous, that I am switching firms ! I am happy to have a nice profit and a great new broker.

Jim Prince Says:
AWESOME Marsha! The guys and gals at Daniels know what they're doing. Plus then know the GBE stuff inside and out. Glad they were able to help you out and all worked out for the best. Thanks for sharing.



pammie asks (7:31:05 PM):

Hi Jim - I jumped the gun last week on Aug gold. I shorted in anticipation of an early entry tech the same day that it went up. I got stopped out and then gold retraced back to where I got in the same day. I have learned my best lessons from my mistakes because I then see where I made my mistake. I don't advise this way of learning because it diminishes your capital.

Jim Prince Says:
pammie, thanks for sharing this info. Just think of it as part of your tuition. As long as you learn from your errors that's the most important thing. In other words, don't repeat it and it will be a valuable lesson in what is hopefully a long and prosperous trading career.



tinfold asks (7:34:22 PM):

Jim, I see that July Wheat pulled back some today.Is not a good idea to still try to get in on this market setup here?

Jim Prince Says:
Hey tinfold, July Wheat is actually up 6-0 cents as I write this. If it happens to pull back to the top of the channel again that might give you an opportunity. Other wise I'd wait, but that's me. 



Mike in NYC asks (7:36:05 PM):

The best part of this education is the knowledge to survive any economic cycle. When the dot-com bubble burst, I didn't know how to trade Commodities or read a price chart. So I had to wait years to recoup the losses in a Stock mutual fund. This time, because of the charts - and what the stock market looked like at 14,000 on the Monthly chart, we took our retirement money out of stocks and into safer bond funds. So we were not affected by the stock market dropping this last year. I was also able to make a few thousand dollars buying Put options in the Dow Mini. Thank you for the peace of mind this education provides. It doesn't matter what the economy is doing. You can make money if prices are moving - up or down.

Jim Prince Says:
You are so right, Mike in NYC! Nice job protecting your hard earned capital! And way to go making a few bucks on the move down! Sounds like your doing the right things and taking charge of your finances.



luvthemcharts asks (7:40:24 PM):

I have noticed that sometimes when I enter a trade (options only) the market (the chart and not Trend Seeker) will reverse or flatten for the short term and my options will loose a big chunk of their value. However, many times the chart returns to the direction started after it broke the formation. Most folks recommend a dollar amount to risk per option, but many times this results in my selling the options, only to watch the market return to the the desired trend without me. Should I be more liberal in my risk/dollar amount/percentage of option value I will risk or should I keep my option(s) and only sell them at a loss if the trend direction as per Trend Seeker changes?

Jim Prince Says:

Hey luvthemcharts, using a dollar amount is just one way you can manage your option trades. Another is to use the charts. If support/resistance are broken you can then exit your options when that takes place.

It's up to you to determine whether or not to be more liberal with your risk. That's a question only you can answer. I would encourage you to paper trade both a dollar risk and breaks of support/resistance for possible exits and see which works best for you. 

Keep me posted too. I'd love to hear how it's working out for you. 





pammie asks (7:43:26 PM):

Jim, is it a good idea to move stops up for instance on jul wheat when you are up? There have been times when I wait and then end up taking a loss.

Jim Prince Says:

Good question about stops, pammie. Consider this. . . maybe move your stops if the market has moved a certain percentage of the distance toward your profit target. For instance, if the market has moved 25-30% toward your target maybe move your stops to break even. If it moves 50-75% to your target consider moving your stop up to protect 25-30% of the profits accumulated.

I'd encourage you to do some fittlin' with these percentages and see if you can find something that words for you. 





Dcourt asks (7:46:57 PM):

Hello Jim. Thanks for everything you do. I have a quick question. I read the GBE manual and it says to buy options with 60 - 90 days left. But a lot of the charts with breakouts on US Charts.com in "Jim's Chart Book" are in June and July with less than 60 days left. Would you still buy options in these months even though there are less than 60 days left? Thank you.

Jim Prince Says:

You surely can Dcourt! I tend do feature the "front month" charts in my chart book. But you can move out to the next trading month to allow more time if you like.

Be sure to check out the strategie section at www.gbemembers.com too. In pay particular attention to the Low Ball Technique. It's all about trading options with 30 days or less left prior to expiration.





WyoHunter asks (7:49:24 PM):

I have been trading full time since Jan. 09. I am loving it,and I thank God every day for the opportunity. My question is, given all the red ink, bailouts, and finger pointing at the "market speculators",will the government implement new regs that will hurt us?

Jim Prince Says:

Good question WyoHunter. While it's possible I think there would be such a HUGE outburst against law makers that most "hurtful" regs wouldn't pass.

Let's keep our fingers crossed that "hurtful" changes never take place.





Limit Up Texas asks (7:51:47 PM):

Good Evening Jim and Team, Under what circumstances to you use a covered call in your trading decisions ? Because there our times when the provides me and opportunity on both sides of the trade would like your input

Jim Prince Says:

I never have Limit Up Texas. While I have traded various spreads and even sold naked options, I have never initiated a covered call that I can remember. Since I can't speak from experience with this technique I can't offer you much personal insight.

Thanks for stopping by tonight.





DHW18 asks (7:54:55 PM):

Hi Jim Do you believe in long term trades in extreme markets?

Jim Prince Says:

It depends on how they are traded. Meaning the strategy and tools (i.e. options or futures). But to trade an extreme market because your looking for a reversal out of an extreme rating can cost you a lot of money. You must trade it correctly and use the proper tools.

Part of what I mean is actually covered in the report I mentioned earlier in tonight's chat. It's actually one of three different approaches I suggest.







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Jim Prince Says:

Well that's it for this month. I want to thank each of you for investing your time with me tonight.

Keep in mind, that you're not alone in your trading journey. US Charts Online, myself, and our wonderful Course Counselors (541-955-2885) are here to help you become the best you can be. On that note, be sure to check out my weekly video training lessons at: US Charts Online. This is a fantastic teaching tool and free to all GBE Members and US Chart Online subscribers!

Finally, make sure you have a plan prior to entering any trade and use stops to protect your trading capital. As a trader your capital is THE most valuable asset you have!

Plan your trade and trade your plan!

My next chat will be on Tuesday, June 16, 2009. God Bless and I look forward to seeing you then!






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